Reply from architects:

Dear Jory,
In reviewing correspondence sent to me from Andrew Taylor, it appears
that it was you who originally provided the preliminary mass build-out
shadow studies for the project planned at 2030 East Madison.

We are the architects on that project, and as Mr. Taylor correctly says,
we would like to update and complete the studies that you have started.
As you suggested to Mr. Taylor, we do have FormZ abilities here in the

Would it be possible to get a copy of your data? We are aware that we
could start a similar study from scratch, but we also think that there
may be more to be gained by all by having our new (revised) design read
as a continuance of yours.


Sclater Partners Architects, PC
2230 8th Avenue
Seattle, Wa 98121
(206) 624-8682

From: Andrew Taylor <>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:33:27 -0800
To: Dean Falls <>, Barry Lamb <>, Jay Reeves <>, Ron Jelaco <>
Cc: Jory Phillips <>, Diane Sugimura <Diane.Sugimura@Seattle.Gov>, Scott Kemp <Scott.Kemp@Seattle.Gov>
Subject: Shadow diagrams for Falls' Madison Street development


1) I asked Scott Kemp about your next DRB meeting and learnt: "Andrew, The DRB indicated shadow impacts on properties to the north and
the architecture of the residential facades continue to be of high
interest to them and the applicants have chosen to do further work on
these in the pre-mup phase. Hence, another early design guidance

2) I note that the DRB has been very interested in the shadow diagrams produced by Jory Phillips of DPD:

3) I approached Diane Sugimura of DPD to ask if they could produce similar diagrams for your new designs, to show the DRB the effects on the neighborhood of your modified designs.

4) The bad news is that they don't have the time to do that. The good news is that they still have, and will happily share, the original data.

5) May I suggest that you get the data from them and use it to produce shadow diagrams for the next DRB meeting. Sounds like it should save you a lot of effort and should be very useful for the DRB.

I've appended my E-mails with Diane and Jory.

Andrew Taylor
Chair, Miller Park Neighborhood Association
330 - 19th Ave E. (206) 323-5929 (home)
Seattle WA 98112 (206) 667-4431 (work)


A) From Diane Sugimura (Director, DPD):
Hi Andrew ... I will ask Jory to get in touch with you. Thanks.

>>> Andrew Taylor <> 01/30/04 07:39AM >>>
As you may be aware, Dean Falls Madison Street project has been granted an
alley vacation, and had now had 2 Early Design Guidance hearings.

At the most recent hearing, the Board were happy to hear that the applicants
had set back their building on the North side to reduce shadow effects on
buildings to the North. The Board was, however, concerned that these
setbacks were no more than a token effort . The applicants only provided one
sectional shadow drawing. (reports on the meetings:

I note that, during the rezoning study for the Madison-Miller area,
Jory Phillips produced 3D shadow diagrams of the possible effects of
project, which I provided to the Design Review Board. See:

It seems that the applicants are making a good-faith effort, but may not be
able to provide the visual aids to convince the Board of the effects of
their efforts.

If Jory's data are still available, would it be possible to add the revised
envelope of the applicants' project to it, and make those shadow diagrams
available to the applicant and to the Board?

Many thanks
B) From Jory Phillips (senior planner, DPD)


I'm very sorry, but I'm afraid that while I still have the data, it's
just too time intensive to produce those models. Being just back from
vacation, I have a lot of things to catch up on that are a very high

If, however, you know of someone that has and can use FormZ, I'd be
happy to forward the data files on to them so that they could do it.


Andrew: Obviously I've never used the software. I'd assumed that just changing the envelope of the Falls' project (and leaving the rest of the data the same) would not be much work. Am I wrong?

Yes, changing the envelope of the Falls' project is all that would need
to be done. It's probably about a 2-3 hour job depending on the skill of
the person doing it. Have you thought about asking the architect of the
project in question? Another idea, now that I think of it, is to try
contacting Jerry Finrow, a professor at the UW, to see if a student
might be interested in doing it. Jerry led the graduate student project
that looked at the area a couple of years ago.